For many years I have been a Free Market Capitalist. There are a number of reasons for this, one of which is that it is just the conservative thing to do. One thing that unites the majority of conservatives both neo-cons like Sean Hannity and Bill Krystol as well as paleo-conservatives such as Thomas Woods and Pat Buchanan is capitalism and free market economic principles, or at least that mantle even if they read it slightly differently. Free market Capitalism basically means that if you keep markets unregulated in all arenas, business will keep itself well regulated and allow sufficient competition, so that a man with ingenuity and hard work can rise to the top and be a millionaire. How? By using capital at his disposal or in reality someone else's capital, and getting a bunch of wage slaves to produce it into goods for him while he works to manage it, until he either succeeds or fails. This happens on either a large scale or on a small scale. For years this made sense, but since the summer, I have finally called all of this into question, and at last have completely rejected it as a defective produce of the modern era, just as defective as ideas like unrestricted freedom of speech, relativistic morality and democracy. For one the business world working on the free market model has shown itself time and time again unwilling to discipline itself, and more interested in satisfying the bottom line. When the wage of the employee who is going to create wealth he will never see becomes too high, the company will either cut the position, cut the pay, or take its business over seas where it can exploit labor. The illegal immigration problem clearly demonstrates this. My number 2 problem with illegal immigration (after number 1 which is the flow of gangs, criminals and drugs uncontested across the border) is that people coming here to work hard for their family will be exploited by big business and have no legal protection.I could go on, but rather than complain, it is necessary to show a vision for the future, and to do that it is necessary to point to one thing: Capitalism isn't it. In fact, growing up in America, we are conditioned to think Capitalism good, Communism bad, anything else bad. Outside the box there is no salvation. Suddenly the reader is no doubt pausing in horror, Athanasius, you are not becoming a Communist, are you? You're Communism series hasn't converted you has it? Certainly not. But if you say you are against Capitalism, the first thing that comes to mind is that you must be a Socialist or a Communist. However I feel it necessary to point out at this juncture that just as Communism is an anti-God and anti-Religious philosophy and economic science, Capitalism is equally against Catholic principles and the moral authority of Church teaching.
Captialism represents every man for himself alone, the successful man is the one with the most cash philosophy. However measuring one's success in terms of wealth is directly related not to Catholicism, as such a system would seem grossly wicked to 1531 years of Catholics, but with Calvinism. Capitalism truly has its roots in the Protestant Reformation, both directly and indirectly. Indirectly, as Luther and Calvin had no intention of willing the oppression and suffering that occurred with Capitalism, and directly, as their attacks on a system that protected men's livelihood and kept capital concentrated in the hands of the many rather than the few. Luther of course had no economic vision whatsoever. His ideas concerning economics were still quite Catholic in spite of everything else. Calvinism on the other hand began measuring whether or not one was saved based on economic success, since that salvation was predetermined by God and as such unknowable. In the hands of classical economists, one bettered society by making as much money as he could, regardless of the human cost, and thus we arrive at the Free Market Economy. (This would also mean that the reformation is indirectly responsible for socialism, since it created the problem to which Socialism is the proposed solution and would not exist otherwise.
On the other hand there is the Catholic vision for economics, man's livelihood and the social kingship of Jesus Christ. It is not a terribly new system, as it was in practice from the period of the late Roman Empire until by and large after the Protestant and French Revolutions. It is a system which in modern times is called "Distributism", an exposition of Catholic social teaching most identified with Hillaire Belloc and G.K. Chesterton, who formally introduced it in the early 1900's.
As I said Distributism is nothing new, but a predication of Medieval economic theory and practice. Some critics falsely maintain that it is the same as Socialism, but anyone who makes this objection only shows they do not know what they are talking about. Socialism is predicated on the denial of the right to private property, especially private productive property, whereas Distributism is predicated on the affirmation of the right to private productive property.
Hence the Late Romano-Medieval system, the right of a man to property by which he might take capital and produce it into goods for sale or consumption was paramount, far above the right to make money. This is because a Catholicized society did not see life as the necessity to amass wealth, but as a period to accomplish the salvation of our soul. This focus on the spiritual ends brings about a natural frugality with resources, money, and a modesty in the way one spends his time and engages in worldly goods. Belloc said
"It has been found in practice (that is, it is discoverable through history) that economic freedom thus somewhat limited satisfies the nature of man, and at the basis of it is the control of the means of production by the family unit. For though the family exchange its surplus, or even all its production, for the surplus of others, yet it retains its freedom, so long as the social structure, made up of families similarly free, exercises its effect through customs and laws consonant to its spirit: the Guild; a jealous watch against, and destruction of, monopoly; the safeguarding of inheritance, especially the inheritance of small patrimonies. The freehold miller, in such a society as ours [English] was ours not so long ago, though he had no arable or pasture, was a free man. The yeoman, though he got his flour from the miller, was a free man." -An Essay on the Restoration of Property, pg. 27)To elaborate on guilds, some falsely maintain that a guild is essentially like our modern notion of a Union. A Union, is essentially a gathering of bureaucrats who live like leeches on the dues of its members under the promise of improving working conditions, a promise delivered 100 years ago, but not even thought about now since the bureaucrats who control unions have gotten a taste of the cash and fine living that comes with being a union president. A Guild never functioned that way. Guilds were a body of craftsmen in a given disciplines such as those of blacksmith, carpenter, cobbler, butcher, etc. Their purpose was to improve craftsmanship on the part of their members and to make sure that they were operating fairly. Dishonest workers would be thrown out of the guild and as such lose business due to a bad reputation. Guilds were inherently Catholic bodies, with their patron saints, celebrations, banners to process into Mass with, and protection from the Church. Its members and leaders were all craftsmen themselves employed in a given trade, not bureaucrats looking to spend the hard earned money of its workers for political gain. Always they defended the livelihood of the worker. Stealing the means by which a man feeds his family through monopolizing was no different than stealing the food itself from his children.
This brings us to the essence of distributism, that which the Guilds labored hard to defend. The name sounds funny, because we are unaccustomed to it. Distributism has nothing to do with government re-distribution, it merely refers to the fact of private productive property being well distributed (or diffused) amongst the people. Belloc notes:
"When so great a number of families in the state possess Private Property in a sufficient amount as to give its color to the whole, we speak of "widely distributed property. It has been found in practice, and the truth is witnessed to by the instincts in all of us, that such widely distributed property as a condition of Freedom is necessary to the normal satisfaction of human nature. In its absence general culture ultimately fails and so certainly does citizenship." -Ibid, pg. 28Capitalism is also a slightly misleading word. Its name would suggest that it is just a system about the amassing of capital and the production of capital into wealth. However, this would accurately describe every economic arrangement human society has known, including Communism. Capitalism then (as practiced since it was forged by the big three revolutions of Protestantism, the Industrial Revolution and the French Revolution) is understood as a system where a minority controls the means of production, and the majority of the dispossessed must sell their labor, because that is all that they have left. The dispossessed are referred to as the "Proletariat" a term used today mostly by Marxists, which predates Marx by half a century. This accurately describes the situation in most of the world today. The alternative that Distributism offers is freedom. Instead of being required to sell our labor for a wage (wage slavery) in order to survive, we ourselves become the producers, consumers, on our own land on our own time. As wage slaves we must be present 9-5, or else risk the wrath of our employer. How many people would trade that to be self-sufficient? Come on, on one side you have life in a little cubicle, no windows, 3 bosses who harass you all day, and the best hours of your life spent not with your spouse and children but with your fat, balding boss, while on the other hand you have life on your terms, so long as you are willing to work hard. Which system seems more conducive to holiness? Distributism is the economics of the middle ages, and it is the only system that represents freedom. Anything else is a godless son of either protestantism or the enlightenment.
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I don't understand how distributism maintains itself. Clearly you could still buy and sell capital. How are you going to prevent people from amassing greater and greater quantities of it? What if their wealth is simply in money rather than capital? How is the limit of wealth determined if the government is going to prevent anyone from moving beyond a given point? What about economies of scale, and natural monopolies like the software industry? What are the limits to specialization in your system, such as the butcher, the baker, the candlestick maker? Don't many vocational skills require too much time and dedication for someone to also be self sufficient? Wouldn't independant homesteads require insurance against bad years for crops or pestilence in order to avoid poverty? How are you going to prevent the insurance companies from making their owners wealthy? etc etc..
Good Golly, Athanasius, don't you have an abbreviated version? But I shall duly address this one...
I remember when I was in Spain in 2004 (nearly three years ago) and on one of my excursions in the region of León, I saw how goods such as fabrics and carpets were put together the old fashioned way. Myself and a couple of my friends got to take a shot at making the fabrics mend at the shop owned by a man who made carpets for a living. It was difficult to try to grasp technique but it was still fun giving it a shot. One of the things I remember the man said at the end of his demonstration that for his line of work to survive, "it requires a great number of vocations." (Just like how the Catholic Church survives as it does today because of answered vocations to the Priesthood and other forms of religious life.) If only more people would take on the call of manual labor, it would make everybody elses life happier. Because if it weren't for people like the man I mentioned, back in the earlier days (very long before capitalism) who do you think would have made carpets and other goods for people? Today, we have a culture of laziness. Those who refuse to compete in a capitalist society end up becoming sponges in the welfare system and who has to pay for that? ALL OF US!!!! In the system that Athanasius mentioned, there were no welfare benefits, there was no social security, there was no medicare or even medical insurance or insurance of anykind! Instead of that, people had something better. Working to make something of their lives, be with their families more (instead of being out of the house more than half the day), and having time to homeschool their children. If only more people in our society would think about that for a minute, perhaps that would get them to get off their fat lazy behinds and do something to make other peoples lives (that being the tax payers) happy.
I had the same encounter once I read the social encyclicals, Chesterton and Belloc. My background was also free-market until I saw the Church had spoken many times on the subject.
Distributism notes the obvious problems with both socialism and capitalism, but one doesn't need even that to recognise there is a problem. Chesterton was the first to prophetically say that capitalism in the long haul would turn to communism to meet its natural ends and he was right (take a look at our exporting of manufacturing, labour, and the quick explanation on our 'no spin' press that we need immigration because we have a nationwide strike on the part of our youth.
The problem with Catholics today is we have become an either/or lot as you well pointed out and we lack what Chesterton noted was 'the Catholic imagation' or vision to see that many of the Saints had mountains to climb and we can too.
It is important to mix Libertas and other comments on liberty from our popes and connect them to our socio-economic worldview. They are truly inseparable.
One last word. If you or any of your readers would like more information on distributism, my blog
The ChesterBelloc Mandate is an archive dedicated to the subject.
www.distributist.blogspot.com
Also, my friends at The Distributist Review, a commentary on current events through a Distributist perspective.
www.distributism.blogspot.com
Pax Tecum
Richard
Great post! In 100% agreement with you.
How are you going to prevent people from amassing greater and greater quantities of it?
The same way they did it back then: Guilds. Non-governmental Religious entities accountable to the Pope.
How is the limit of wealth determined if the government is going to prevent anyone from moving beyond a given point?
It is not a question of moving beyond a given point, rather of how your business effects the livelihood of other men. Take Walmart for instance. The argument against Walmart isn't that it's big. Rather it is that its size gives it an unfair advantage in the acquiring of capital and the distribution of goods. So let's give the example of a Distributist prototype village. You have two cobblers in a village. One is slightly better than the other, but there is more than sufficient work for both of them. Now the better cobbler decides he has a chance to capitalize on the fact he is slightly better than the other and hires a number of wage slaves, and consolidates all of the labor into a large shop, call it Payless, and the number of men to serve and produce shoes is so much that the other man has no chance to compete and as such is deprived of his ability both to take pride in his work or to provide money for his family. That kind of expansion is something the guilds would have stopped. Now if the first cobbler wants to make some investments, or sell other of his goods elsewhere and he becomes richer than the second cobbler, that's too bad for the second cobbler. The stress of the system is on protecting a man's livelihood and his right to private productive property.
What are the limits to specialization in your system, such as the butcher, the baker, the candlestick maker? Don't many vocational skills require too much time and dedication for someone to also be self sufficient?
No.
You have to conceive of this outside of a Walmart system, and currency outside of a dollar and coin system. Barter naturally enters into this, as it did until about the 1950s, and in some places in America you can still barter. There are also co-ops, joint ownership businesses, etc. All of the answers to these questions are in Belloc's "An Essay on the Restoration of Property", which you can get from IHS press, and I'll try to fish out certain answers from him later. He has taken up all these issues, including how to continue high production without the over-industrialization we witness.
How are you going to prevent the insurance companies from making their owners wealthy? etc etc.
Again, distributism is not about keeping people from getting rich, it is about preventing people from getting rich by depriving someone of personal productive property and the means to attain a self sufficient lifestyle.
In the middle ages no one cared that you got rich, they cared how. Here's a quote, which doesn't answer insurance directly, but helps give a conception of the system in general.
"The restoration of property means, and has meant throughout history in nearly all places and times, primarily, the restoration of property in land.
When men have become wage slaves they think in terms of income. When they are economically free they think in terms of property. Most modern men living under industrial conditions regard economic reform as essentially a redistribution of income; property is for them an illusion; the reality behind it is income. Property for them means only an arrangement whereby a certain income as the product of property; and the typical form of property, which is also the foundational form, is property in land. Under the eastern despotisms, as also under barbaric, nomad conditions, property in land is either denied in theory or unknown in practice, but in our Western world it is, and has been throughout all our development, the guarantee of citizenship and the foundation thereof.
Of this account there is throughout the West (that is, throughout Christendom) an instinct for preserving or, if it has been lost, for restoring widely distributed property in land. During all the stable periods in our civilization such a wide distribution of property in land, among free men at any rate, was the rule. When it became the exception society grew troubled; and the unnatural state of affairs-the presence of men politically free but economically unfree-produced dangerous strains resulting someties in a violent transformation of society.
That is what happened in the heart of the Roman Empire towards the end of its highest period. During the early middle ages well distributed property in land gradually reappeared. During the Middle Ages it was teh Universal rule. Even in the early part thereof the serf might still be constrained to work for his Lord, but he was secure in the ownership of a portion of his native land not subject to competitive rent, inalienable slo long as the customary dues were paid; and his land passed on from him to his descendants. In most countries this state of affairs developed after the Middle Ages into the establishment of a free peasantry, that is, of citizens possessing, in numbers sufficient to determine the character of their society, land of their own, coupled with political as well as economic freedom.
There were parts of Europe, however, in which the clock was set back, notably in Great Britain. The peasantry were swallowed up by the greater land owners and became a proletariat. In this country the historical process is now familiar to many- perhaps by this time most educated men, though our official academic history long remained silent on it." (Belloc, pg. 77)
Just buy the book.
Doesn't the Pope have better things to do than mediate a bunch of business disputes every time one company starts offering a superior product at lower prices? By the way, Walmart got big because Walmart saves working people money through superior logistics and cost cutting. Every human being that works at Walmart does so because they have decided they are better off there. They're free to walk out any time.
The question remains, how does distributivism maintain itself? People are free to sell the land they own, and they WILL DO SO. Or they will squander the land and need to be given more land, so they can squander that, and so on. Widespread land ownership such as the middle ages or middle america doesn't end because capitalists come and steal the land. The people sell it for a better life, which is achieved through a greater and more specialized division of labour, ie capitalism and awful ipod and latte laden wage slavery.
Ahem. Also, what if a non guild cobbler sets up shop just out of town. Just asking...
The problem of distributivism in modern society is... modern society and technology.
The world is smaller today than it once was. Flight, telephone, the internet... there are few boundaries left.
Guilds in small communities would be unable to adequately police people from starting multinational megacorporations. Even assuming the majority of the guilds were to function perfectly, there would be towns that didn't, and the megacorps would form there, and mass-produce goods to be exported elsewhere, using economies of scale to dwarf what local producers made.
Yes, you could control imports and exports. However, as spam buisiness models have shown us, there will always be enough people not willing to do that to make it profitable. And any towns that would deal with towns that used modern production models would in turn have to adopt their biusiness models or starve. It would be viral...
Distributivism does not work in today's world. Capitalism, though imperfect, is an OK solution. Frankly, I think of it as a least evil solution, rather than a good one.
And though there are abuses under Capitalism, there were too under medieval distributivism. A bad king, a bad guild, or just bad and sneaky people were able to exploit.
Frankly, I'd rather be a "wage slave" than a butcher, baker, etc. that works for myself.
Finally, I disagree with Samwise that software is a natural monopoly. The concept of software and software adoption/development is in its extreme infancy, and these monopolistic effects will fade away within 10 years as the science matures. But that's a different discussion for another day.
I'm curious to hear what the distributivists have to say about stock ownership as a distributed ownership of capital. Here we have everyone owning capital, but the most effient enormous corporaions are still making that capital work harder than your average Bob could. If we did away with our hideous Social Security apparatus and replaced it with mandatory private accounts, this might end up being the best of both worlds, eh? What do you say?
By the way, Walmart got big because Walmart saves working people money through superior logistics and cost cutting. Every human being that works at Walmart does so because they have decided they are better off there. They're free to walk out any time.
Your analysis of Walmart leaves a lot to be desired. I've worked at Walmart, not because I wanted to but because I needed to. One is not always free to walk out. Sometimes that is the only job you can get because other companies are exporting their production over seas to make sure Walmart can keep producing cheap goods by slave labor in the 3rd world. Welfare isn't going to pay your bills while you are waiting to get resumes answered.
The wage they pay is crap. Now I'll agree on the capitalist model there is nothing wrong with that, it is an unskilled position, there is no reason Walmart should be forced into hiking wages for their employees by the state making labor costs artificially high. However we shouldn't live in a society where I am forced into that and have no possibility of obtaining land and therefore freedom, or of starting my own business because of endless taxes, fees, licenses, more taxes and more fees not to mention permits which require credit I can not obtain, thanks to laws and policies enacted by large businesses to eliminate small sources of competition, thanks to their plutocratic control of the market and government. (say that 3 times fast)
But anyway I am surprised that as a Free Market Economist you would support Walmart, since it unfairly unbalances the market even from a capitalist model. For example, about a year ago Kraft Macaroni &Cheese retailed for about 89 cents. Walmart told Kraft that it would only sell Kraft Macaroni and Cheese for 60 cents in order to undercut local grocery store competition. Kraft refused, and Walmart said that Kraft would have to lower its wholesale price, so Walmart could make the same profit but sell the Mac&Cheese for less or else it would not carry Kraft. Kraft couldn't risk the loss of Walmart as a distributor so therefore it caved and soaked up a multi-million dollar loss. This occurred because Walmart's size gives it an unfair competitive advantage. The same is true for numerous other products which Walmart has forced the makers to take a loss over, and this is only due to Walmart's size. A north eastern grocery store chain could not force the company to do that, they would risk too much business, and even more so the small time grocer, if such still exists in the east or the heavily industrialized areas of the west coast.
In a free market shouldn't Kraft be able to determine the price it wants to sell its crappy Mac & Cheese at in accordance with its supply and public demand? Why should it have to change it because of the demands of a retailer to support its overall business policy?
I want to actually make a comment I never hear said on Fox or any conservative or even paleo-conservative magazine/show.
One of the things that define Catholicism is its inability to change morality. It can no more modify its position on stealing than I can suddenly become a planet (though sometimes I revolve around myself too much).
Conservatives, however, change all the time.
When I was a young man, even prior to my libertarian days, I was a Republican.
Now what was the motto back then? Made in the U.S.A. and "kill those commie bastards!"
Today's conservatives part ways with the old right and want communism to exist for the purposes of outsourcing. They claim by poring capitalism into communist nations we are in fact changing their economies, but the very reason they move these businesses out there is to profit from communism, so they need them to not only exist, but to maintain their laws and philosophy the way they are. Back in my day, a Republican wouldn't give a penny to a communist!
And as for 'Made in the USA', well national pride has shifted to military support and the selling of arms.
We need to step away from nationalism and seek the neverending wisdom and truth of the Church.
Doesn't the Pope have better things to do than mediate a bunch of business disputes every time one company starts offering a superior product at lower prices?
This question misapplies Church oversight of Guilds. That oversight was exercised if a guild was operating in a corrupt manner, and was conducted at the level of the local Bishop, who today could squeeze time in between their fund raisers with pro-abortion politicians and appointments with their sushi chefs. As far as I know the Pope only examined one case of a guild where the Bishop had unlawfully suppressed it. I'll have to find the date, Pope, etc. Its merely a question of oversight. The Supreme Court is an oversight of government, but it does not examine every page of Bush Administration policy, it only reacts when someone brings a problem.
Another thing to keep in mind about Guilds is that not every craftsman did in fact belong to them, nor every merchant etc. All had to trade in accord with the Guild's regulation, and could be fined for illicit trading selling, and flogged for trading/selling/producing bad or defective goods. Different Guilds had different regulations, and were protected by the magistrates and law enforcement of different areas, thus in different regions a different guild had sway, even in the same country. Thus to answer your other question if a non-guild member showed up in a certain region he would be under the authority of the guild of that town or place, and the statutes were enforced by both secular law and Church law.
The question remains, how does distributivism maintain itself? People are free to sell the land they own, and they WILL DO SO. Or they will squander the land and need to be given more land, so they can squander that, and so on.
That simply doesn't follow, on both points. If someone buys it that means someone is buying it in order to use it while the former leaves for whatever. In a Distributist model, whatever business he goes into is regulated with the aim of protecting the rights to personal productive property, so he either acquires more land in a more desirable place, or he gets smaller land and starts a business in production of some kind. Perhaps apprenticed to a carpenter, a construction crew which is co-owned, or like I was about to do until state shake-downs otherwise known as taxes and fees prevented me from, brick work. Either way goods and services are still being produced and provided. The key as always will be that there is not high taxation. High taxation destroys property ownership, and as a rule only flourishes when well distributed property has disappeared.
It doesn't follow however that if someone squanders land he will need more. In a distributist system if you squander land you don't get a return of any time and are unable to acquire more land. All Distributism does is ensure governmental and businesses forces can not dispossess you of your land.
Widespread land ownership such as the middle ages or middle america doesn't end because capitalists come and steal the land.
Actually it does, but only after the laws and safeguards protecting the wide distribution of property are broken down. Call it a guild, metier jure, hansa, collegiae (which date back to the Roman Empire), or the watch officials that characterized Persian checks on business, society has always ensured that ownership by a few doesn't happen. Belloc explains: "And though it is true that unchecked competition must ultimately produce the rule of ownership by a few, yet it is also true that mankind has always felt this to be the danger, has instinctively safeguarded itself against that danger by the setting up of institutions for the protection of small property and that these institutions have never broken down of themselves, but always and only under the conscious action of a deliberately hostile attack." (Essay, pg. 43). The suppression of guilds and confiscation of land and property by would be capitalists is well documented in history, all of which after a serious revolution like Protestantism or the so-called "Enlightenment" overturns traditional protections on property. For instance in England, after the reformation there was legislation passed by big landlords who paid off the legislature caled the "Statute of Frauds". This made it law that titles to land were not valid unless one had written proof signed by a judge. No one in England had this, because they had inherited their land from father to son since Roman times, in fee-farm tenure, paying only small rents. They were owners of their property by traditional and immemorial custom. After the Statute of Frauds, the local village landlord could and did, claim ownership of the land and reduce the peasant to a tenant, and therefore a proletarian laborer. In France the same thing happened after the French Revolution, when the guilds were suppressed and all property was distributed by the new rich class, the bourgeoisie who became rich with everyone else's land. The dispossessed were then swept up into factories in the next century.
In America small time farmers in he midwest depended upon general decency. They didn't expect that municipalities in cooperation with agra-business would work together to run them out of town through any of hundreds of unjust and unfair practices, from emminent domain to absurd property taxes that can't be paid, coupled with tax breaks and advantages to large agra-businesses. More dispossessed who join the proletariat.
The people sell it for a better life, which is achieved through a greater and more specialized division of labour, ie capitalism and awful ipod and latte laden wage slavery.
But its not a better life, nor are products better. 9-5 in a cubicle 5 or 6 days a week, 52 weeks a year is not a better life than being in control of your own livelihood, whether it is in farming, or construction, or in textiles, crafts, etc. Starbucks is pretty good but we have local private owned coffee shops out here which are better, for the same price or much less. Those who own it go in or out at their leisure, operating at hours of their choosing and have a personal stake in what they do, whereas the latte laden wage slave of a Starbucks has no stake in the operation of that Starbucks, other than what makes their day go a little more smoothly. Men work better and more efficiently when they have a stake in something, and nowhere is that more prevalent than in one's own trade and property.
Walmart is full of cheap crap that falls apart within a few years, while quality furniture shops produce chairs, tables etc. that can become heirlooms. In a culture where we don't have factory produced cheap crap the price for those goods goes down.
Athanasius said:
"[When men have become wage slaves they think in terms of income. When they are economically free they think in terms of property] . Most modern men living under industrial conditions regard economic reform as essentially a redistribution of income; property is for them an illusion; the reality behind it is income. Property for them means only an arrangement whereby a certain income as the product of property; and the typical form of property, which is also the foundational form, is property in land."
So if there is anything to learn here it won’t come from “most men”. As a Catholic scientist and long-standing Distributist I am not one of these. I have, however, gradually realized that, given our present dependence on incomes, fair distribution of incomes guaranteed by fair laws are necessary conditions of getting back to well-distributed property. As an information scientist I can also see three alternatives that most people do not: that
(a) One can and should reverse the order of work and income. Because the worker needs a livelihood to enable him to work, he should not have to work “a week in hand” so that an employer owes him. However, by accepting income before work, he incurs a responsibility for such work as needs doing and can reasonably be expected of him.
(b) Now that money is not costly gold but virtually cost-free electronic credits (so no longer comparable in real to property), loans can and should be interest free and incomes can simply be credits (providing a fair share of what goods are available) to a card account with an overdraft limit. Employers would then not have to pay banks, investors and employees, but would have a responsibility to deliver the goods for which an investment credit was allowed; government would not have to tax to pay wages and pensions but would have to organise services effectively; prices could be determined by replacement costs of resources (so higher for non-renewables). Employers (or teachers) could still motivate (with no basis for ulterior motives) by reasoned requests that an income penalty be imposed through the banking system for work actually done badly; likewise that bonuses be awarded for skills being used and work done well.
(c) Competition can and should be between ideas rather than for livelihoods, with bad ideas never getting past the competitive phase and "into production". (No need either for patents etc, with incomes already having been provided).
Given such a system, there would be no point in having property to make an income, leaving the need for property stressed by the Church: for the means to celebrate God’s love, and to develop and express our personalities and love for others.
Gen Ferrer said
"Now what was the motto back then? Made in the U.S.A. and "kill those commie bastards!"
"Today's conservatives part ways with the old right and want communism to exist for the purposes of outsourcing … And as for 'Made in the USA', well national pride has shifted to military support and the selling of arms."
The first point sounds about right, but the second sounds as if “Gen[eral?]” thinks “kill those commie bastards” is appropriate, which certainly isn’t Christian. It is in fact the logical fallacy ad hominem, mistaking the sinner for the sin. If the poor commies (“straw men” today replaced by Muslims) are the slaves of their state, why should we kill them rather than help them?
I'm glad to see others are waking up to the value of distributism. I am still learning about it myself, but it seems to be the logical conclusion of applying Catholic principles to economics.
It is important to mention that one of the key points of distributism is self-sufficiency. Ideally, each family should be able to provide for their own needs with the property (land, equipment, etc) that they own.
The biggest problem I see is how to actually implement it. You can live by the principles of distributism, but you can't stop Wall-Mart from moving in next door.
Distributism is a rejection of Big Business Capitalism AND Pinko Commie Egalitarianism.
That means no chain stores, and no outsourcing.
It means mom and pop stores everywhere.
It means some rich snot in New York can't own a business anywhere else BUT New York.
It means we don't have to pay for useless social security, it means everyone owns their own property.
It means the government only taxes those who can afford to be taxed.
It means workers aren't treated like resources/property of the government.
Distributism is Catholic.
Capitalism and Communism are not Catholic.
"Guilds in small communities would be unable to adequately police people from starting multinational megacorporations"
One thing to think about is that corporation don't exist because of the free market. They exist because a government has stepped in an decided to give it's protection to that particular concept.
In addition, There are many economic hurdles that governments use to stop small businesses from even getting started. If people could start businesses in their homes without unecessary government regulation (and much of the regulation likely doesn't serve what it's supposed to) then small business would have a much greater chance of finding ways to compete with the big boys.
I believe the only problem with Capitalism is that it was indeed forged in secular values. But I do not see why it could not just be given Church oversight, and continue mostly as is. After all, Capitalism operates according to human nature, and creates a classbound society. Sure, Adam Smith was its biggest advocate and proponent, and he was a heretic, but do not we Catholics also value the writings of several pagan authors in ancient Greece and Rome?Remove the sin and excessive greed, and it's perfect.
Samwise and aaron traas make very good points. Also, I work at Big Lots for near minimum wage, but am still able to set aside money in the stock market. Could serfs do that? I bet if I tried I could save up as much moolah as old-style guild members without even going to college.
I'm not saying I oppose voluntary Distributism; if we had a Catholic government, I would comstantly press for Distributist projects. But I much prefer being a "wage slave" to being self-sufficient. I donate a portion of my money to charity, am honest at work, care for my customers, coworkers, and boss (not all bosses are jerks), and don't spend much on plastic crap from China. Couldn't we just teach everyone to do the same in school, or go to Hell?
Also: start voting G.O.P. again. This isn't a Catholic Nation yet; they're the best we can expect. Just look at Senator Samuel Brownback.
Crusader said: "Let's start voting G.O.P. again. This isn't a Catholic nation yet; they're the best we can expect."
I respect what you said in your post, however the only problem I see with this comment is a sign of trust in a party that fails to stand up for our values in the face of political pressure. Take our President for example, has he done what he promised to do on Pro-Life issues? Not really enough. Just look what the G.O.P. did to Katherine Harris of Florida. She was a Pro-Life canidate that would potentially affect Pro-Life legislation in Florida but the G.O.P. didn't back her or even endorse her. To say the least, they abandoned her and she lost last November's election. With this in mind, the G.O.P. cannot be trusted to stand up for a "Catholic Nation's" values, although like you said we aren't one yet. If you this party that doesn't do enough for our values is the best we can get out of the Politics of this country, then I would rather not vote at all.
Athanasius,
A few points I'd like to put forth to consider.
You say about an entrepeneur, "... getting a bunch of wage slaves to produce it into goods for him while he works to manage it ...". Just as distributism would be regulated by guilds under the Pope, the same could be said about a regulated free market economy.
In distributism, could you also say that the people would be "land slaves" or "trade slaves"? They would need to work their land or trade, just as people need to work somewhere at a certain price (their wage).
Consider the money factor. Medieval life was mostly moneyless. The idea of price largely did not apply. Do you think that a moneyless society would be conducive to a large Catholic society? Would bartering really work at all since it is very ackward for any significant transaction (how much chairs must I make to get bread over the year?).
What about the fact that the societal structure was mostly manoral? Do we need to reestablish manors?
Distrubutism grew because of the fall of Rome. Do we need a fall of our modern society to achieve a restructuing of the economy? Fatima may achieve this.
I think the future holds neither distributism nor captialism, but will grow organically out of the restoration that will come. The important principles are the moral ones, which will always underlie moral economic activity.
Allow me to offer this little insight from 1867.
Although Froude was essentially "only" an Anglo-Catholic and uninspired to leap the Tiber, he and his set were at least able to acknowledge and condemn the residue of 300+ years of English Reformation ideology:
"But towards the end of the Middle Ages people became restless, the old standards were being overthrown, and there did not seem any fit to take their place. In [the Age of Faith] men had worked together, and accepted the PRINCIPLE OF SERVICE (my emphasis); for the latter the sixteenth century substituted that of competition. It was thought that if man worked against man, then everybody's wits would be sharpened, and the world go forward.
The individual here begins to step out of the crowd and beckon to us.
Now, in these times of ours, well-regulated selfishness has become the recognized rule of action - every one of us is expected to look out first for himself, and take care of his own interests merely.
But at the time I speak of, the Church happily ruled the State with the authority of a conscience; and self-interest, as a motive of action, was only named to be abhorred."
Wise words, aptly applied, by a very gifted and insightful Christian.
Thank you, Froude.
Anonymous,
I’ll try to address a couple of your points, but I am somewhat of a distributist beginner myself.
> could you also say that the people would be "land slaves" or "trade slaves"?
No. Slaves (wage or otherwise) are told what to do. Property owners call their own shots. That's not to say they won't work just as hard, or even harder. But they are working their property on their terms.
> Consider the money factor.
There is no reason you can't have currency in a distributist system. I think it would play a smaller role, and it should be based on something real, like gold. In some ways currency would make distributism easier. For example, consider a co-op company that has some co-owned assets. If I decide to leave the co-op, the rest of the group can simply "buy me out" of my portion of those assets. Same thing with community "co-op" assets.
Also, part of distributism includes providing for many of your own needs, so hopefully you would only have to barter for more unusual items.
> Do we need to reestablish manors?
It doesn't matter. The Lord of a manor settled village disputes, distributed land, provided protection, and other administrative type stuff. There is no reason democratically elected officials couldn't replace a manor lord. The type of government doesn't really matter as long as the government recognizes it is also subject to God's law.
Athanasius,
I found a lead for you to combat at gamespot:
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6164659.html?tag=latestnews;title;0
Aaron Traas said:
Guilds in small communities would be unable to adequately police people from starting multinational megacorporations. Even assuming the majority of the guilds were to function perfectly, there would be towns that didn't, and the megacorps would form there, and mass-produce goods to be exported elsewhere, using economies of scale to dwarf what local producers made.
Guilds in a distributist society were also incapable of policing everything, which is why they police nothing. Their statutes gained force of law by custom, canon law and local law and as such were enforced both by the civil authority and when necessary the Church. In the modern world civil authorities can preform the same function.
Distributivism does not work in today's world. Capitalism, though imperfect, is an OK solution. Frankly, I think of it as a least evil solution, rather than a good one.
If Capitalism was an okay solution, Popes Leo XIII, St. Pius X, Benedict XV, Pius XI, XII, John XXIII and John Paul II would not have condemned it. Its not an okay solution because it promotes an unhealthy society where the few and wealthy have complete ownership. Socialism is equally wrong because its problem is that there are wealthy and resolve to do away with private property, which is equally against the dignity of man.
Distributism is the only way to carry out not only Church teaching, but a just society where men can be free to own their property and livelihoods.
Distributism indeed can work in the modern world. There were numerous technological and economic advancements from the 5th century to the 16th, yet the model of business and economy remained the same, because safeguards were put in place to protect the ability of the small man to own property until through malice the system was destroyed, and capitalism allowed to take its place by the deliberate will of those who destroyed it.
Hillaire Belloc in his essay, does not merely pout because men do not have property, as Marx does in his essays against Capitalism. He proposes how private property might be restored, hence why the essay is entitled "An Essay on the Restoration of Property". There are a few things necessary to work with Distributsim: low taxes, well distributed private property, safeguards against monopoly and most importantly, the will to regain property. Belloc in his essay is not optimistic about the ability to defeat capitalism, and being brutally honest it is necessary to admit there is not a good chance, not because it can't work. That is the only thing that is not the case. It is because of the force arrayed against property, namely resurgent socialism on one side, and a massive force allied against it between big banks (who are the real power in the world, not the government), big corporations, politicians who are en mass paid off by the former, and the general ignorance of the population. Everything hinges upon people wishing to return to private property, without that Belloc himself admits it is not possible.
As in all things it is a question of willingness.
The vast majority of business can be operated in a small manner and doesn't require a monstorous edifice like Microsoft or Walmart or McDonalds. For example with large factories there is the ability for co-ownership, co-ops represent an extremely distributist friendly economic model. Another example is shares of stock. Stock plays well into the distributist scheme, so long as laws are produced which prevent majority control by one person, or else, that require the threshold of majority control to be at 95% rather than 51%.
Retail, electronics, agriculture, most production all can be operated on a small scale by people who own their own property.
In addition, if one things of a carpenter who produces furniture, or produces cabinets for houses and other such things. There is nothing against him having a small plot of land by which to grow fruits and vegetables that can feed him and his family for the year. His services can be traded to the butcher for meat, or else the sale of his goods will allow him to buy meat.
What is most important in all these things is that the safeguards traditionally in place against monopoly remain.
"If Capitalism was an okay solution, Popes Leo XIII, St. Pius X, Benedict XV, Pius XI, XII, John XXIII and John Paul II would not have condemned it. Its not an okay solution because it promotes an unhealthy society where the few and wealthy have complete ownership...
Distributism is the only way to carry out not only Church teaching, but a just society where men can be free to own their property and livelihoods."
I have to wonder if this isn't all in the definitions. If one thinks of any economic system in which the right to own property is repected as a Capitalist one, then there is nothing wrong with it.
The problem is that Capitalism seems to consider this right absolute and neglects to sufficiently protect common people's ability to exercise this right.
Sofia
I think there's a conceptual confusion shared by both sides in this debate (the d'ists and the LRC/Mises.Org crowd), and the root of the confusion is stated pretty well by Samwise.
The stumbling block is the confusion between a "free market" and "capitalism." There's an unfortunate tendency on the free market Right that I call "vulgar libertarianism." It stems from the failure to make clear the extent to which the writer considers the existing system of corporate capitalism to be a proxy for a "free market." Many of the LRC/Mises types will, if pressed, tip their hats to the fact that this is not, in fact a "free market," and acknowledge the presence of subsidies, government protections against competition, and the like. But five minutes later, they will be defending the existing wealth of corporations like Wal-Mart, on the basis of "free market principles." Or they will "answer" complaints of the corporate power by saying "that couldn't happen, because that's not the way a free market works."
In other words, they vacillate back and forth on the extent to which this IS a free market, depending on tactical expediency.
Here's how I see it: under a free market, you don't need any authority to "prevent people from amassing wealth and greater quantities," or set a "limit of wealth," or "police people to stop them from forming multinational corporations."
It's just the opposite. State intervention in the free market is necessary to set market entry barriers for the supply of credit and land, limit the competition among suppliers of credit and land, and prop up monopoly prices for credit and land, so that property is able to grow on itself. State intervention is necessary to enable most large corporations to survive at all.
So-called "economies of scale" exist, but they level off at sizes many times smaller than the average plant size today, let alone the average firm size. The state subsidizes the operating costs of large-scale organization, like for example the long-distance distribution costs of a centralized economy. The state subsidizes capital accumulation and R&D, so that firms adopt more capital-intensive forms of production than would be sustainable in a free market. The state's cartelizing regulations protect overgrown corporations with dysfunctional internal cultures, essentially private Gosplans, from the competitive ill effects of their inefficiency.
As for the software industry, the idea that its size stems from economies of scale is laughable. Its size depends on the copyright Nazis protecting it from peer-to-peer production.
I like the late R.A. Wilson's definitional scheme: state socialism is a system of state-backed privilege in which the state intervenes in the market on behalf of a ruling class of state bureaucrats; capitalism is a system of state-backed privilege in which the state intervenes in the market on behalf of a ruling class of capitalists. In fact, that was the origin of the term "capitalism." Thomas Hodskin, a free market socialist who in many ways prefigured American individualist anarchists like Warren and Tucker, coined the term "capitalism" to describe a system of political economy in which political power was held by privileged capitalists. It was "capitalism" in the same sense that the feudal system might have been called "landism."
If you stop to think of it, the right-wingers' fondness for the term "capitalism" is a bit odd. According to the Austrians and neoclassicals, capital is just another co-equal "factor of production." So why name an economic system after one factor in particular? A system in which workers pooled their efforts in cooperatives, and jointly hired capital, would be just as much a legitimate outcome of free market principles as such; in fact, it's the likely form the market would have taken, without the Enclosures and other land expropriations by the rich. So why not call it "laborism"?
The bias is telling.
Kevin,
It doesn't sound like we are that far apart. Let me respond to a few of your points.
It's just the opposite. State intervention in the free market is necessary to set market entry barriers for the supply of credit and land, limit the competition among suppliers of credit and land, and prop up monopoly prices for credit and land, so that property is able to grow on itself. State intervention is necessary to enable most large corporations to survive at all.
It is typically not the State but banks which set the supply of credit, even if they do it through the State. The truth is that the State is a tool of the wealthy in a system of industrial capitalism, unless it is an unelectable body accountable to the Pope and to almighty God for its moral conduct, such as in the Middle Ages which aided in the protection of property.
Now the bank determines how much credit will be available to whom, for how long, and under what circumstances. They routinely shut out the smaller man in favor of the larger, or charge larger interest to smaller units (i.e. family business) than to larger ones (Walmart, Home Depot, Enron, etc.) The bank can be sure of making an exceptional profit, by comparison even a loan at preposterous interest to small business is still a risk simply because it will not yield a return the fraction of the overall interest loaned to the big corporation, even if the same is reckless and stupid. The only real play the state has is in setting federal interest rates, a process which banks have a large amount of control over.
As far as your latter point, you are absolutely correct. Often anticipating the business and the taxes that Walmart will bring, a wealthy city council will subsidize the building, expecting a return on the investment of funds. Why couldn't the government do the opposite, set market conditions, rates etc. to inhibit a few individuals from holding control over the whole system.
In reality what we are talking about aren't different. It all comes down to how you define the free market. According to the current definition that is bandied about, it is unfettered competition and the ability of the market to police itself against human rights abuses. Enron should be a perfect example of the fallacy of that. However, if you define the free market as a system of buying and selling in accordance with local custom and law which defends men's livlihood and gives them a share of the wealth they work to create, then you are looking at something different, and something which seems more acceptable to both our positions. .
Athanasius wrote It is typically not the State but banks which set the supply of credit, even if they do it through the State.
BG:
but there is only one "official" state sanctioned currency in which you can pay your taxes.
in a mutualist credit clearing system like the WIR Bank (formerly known as "Swiss Economic Circle" in Switzerland), there would be many virtual bookkeeping system which would act as a cashless exchange AND credit system with no/low interest because many systems would compete for your business rather than the other way around via a government granted privileges system where bankers via the charging of interest on money created out of thin air can steal the labor-based wealth of those excluded by privilege.
similarly the system of privilege for land titles allow those who exclude to steal the labor-based wealth of the excluded.
WIR
Capitalism is in fact Calvinistic in origin, and Calvinists boast this as though Capitalist doctrine were actually something to be proud of, as though the concentration of wealth in to the hands of a few is a great thing, and then they turn on the systems that worked in Europe for a millenium, and pretend that was oppressive! The fact of the matter is in now days' Capitalist world, how many people actually own their own property?
People are now enslaved to the Capitalist market, and then the Calvinist will complain of economic oppression of the banks. The Fact of the matter is that Capitalism is a different form of socialism, and as one author put it "A communist is a socialist in a hurry", and that is very true, but in my opinion, a socialist is a capitalist in a rush. In every country that went Protestant, we saw the abolishment of private property among other economic oppressions, and then the Protestants will complain of alleged Catholic oppression! The Protestants are so very hypocritical as far as alleged economic oppression goes.
Pretty much I agree with Mr. Belloc in this regard of Distributism.
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